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Ryan M Allen's avatar

I had some hope that it would help universities after it was finally clarified that F-1 visa holders could transfer without a fee. This gives an incentive to come to American uni programs. But what I have seen is practice is that a lot of employers are still spooked, and have just cut off sponsorship routes. https://www.collegetowns.org/p/impact-of-100k-h-1b-fee-on-international

Luke Eure's avatar

Well put! Chaos-as-a-deterrence-strategy works.

My hope is that if we settle into an equilibrium, the positive impacts of better long-term policy will outweigh the negative effects from the chaotic transition. But this is not a given

Shoo's avatar

The article underplays how disrespectful, disruptive and asinine the rollout was. There are real human beings on these visas. Some have been in the country for a decade paying taxes and being fully law abiding citizens.

I agree with the impact of the policy, the criteria should have been stricter. But the amount of panic and chaos it created, makes me hope that every one of these jobs just goes overseas and the American worker that’s clapping for this chaos suffers the same consequences.

Luke Eure's avatar

I appreciate the push and could agree with your adjectives describing the rollout.

But I can’t agree with this sentiment: “makes me hope that every one of these jobs just goes overseas and the American worker that’s clapping for this chaos suffers the same consequences.”

The US is by and large much better with H-1B workers here! I wouldn’t give that up just to own the chaos-lovers

Shoo's avatar

Many Americans think of visas as charity. They discount the benefits the visa holders bring to the country. I think reaping is on order when you are sowing chaos.

I do want American universities to suffer without the humongous amount of money foreign students bring.

Trump was not moved to do this because he wanted to improve wages. The impetus is to punish and discourage people from coming over.

So I am gonna empathize with the victim and not the villain. Why should anyone come to the US, pay huge sums of money to subsidize the education of nonimmigrants and then get kicked out next year with no regards to their concerns?

You’d need to be crazy to come to the US as a student right now.

Shaked Koplewitz's avatar

De facto banning consular processing has the advantage of restricting offshoring but the disadvantage of restricting people with real valuable experience abroad in favor of new grads, which is a severe penalty (they're a smaller number of h1b holders but disproportionately beneficial to have).

Luke Eure's avatar

Yep, this is a real downside particularly when it comes to researchers at hospitals and universities.

For companies this matters less since 1) few companies did h1bs for people abroad anyways due to the lottery uncertainty, and 2) since the lottery selections are numerically capped, anyone who would have gotten a lottery slot filing consular was 1:1 replaces by someone filing from within the US

Richard Fenstermacher's avatar

It'll only be considered to have worked when you're out of a job.

Thomas L. Hutcheson's avatar

No kidding? It brought in many more high income earning workers?

And all this time I thought demand curves sloped down

Luke Eure's avatar

I'm genuinely not sure what you mean here.

By de facto blocking out outsourcing firms, the $100k fee blocked out relatively low-income workers. And the wage-weighting further shifted the distribution towards high-income-earning workers

Thomas L. Hutcheson's avatar

It does not increase the number of workers. I agree that it is better, given a too-low total, if those few are higher income.